Bloodsong, Your right I have been having a hel of a time with the shadows, that is what I am now working on. it has driven me crazy since the begining. as for the ground I did a little to it, mostly just tweak with the depth of the bump map. I tryed doing other stuff but it didn't quite di it fir me, so I put it back. I have to agree with jeff though, I think that the new light scorce makes it a bit unrealistic, but it does give it a neet efect. -Gabe-