Folks, there is a larger lesson here, if we want to see it. All of that older Poser stuff can be rebuilt to make it more applicable if you want to take the time and energy. I have a whole folder full of P3 textures that I use when I come across a character of that generation (and there are a lot of them out there), and the work I'm doing with the P4 guy shows he can better looking than Michael as well as having the additional advantage of being less memory intensive. Those "relics" have a lot more flexibility than we have them credit for. Beautiful work, Koz. Thanks so much for investing the time and energy into this.