Very nice head, Terri ! About the missing scroll bar problem, if you don't see it then try to press 'space' to have the hand tool and scroll the AGrows window with it . I never had this disapearing scroll bar problem before so i don't know if it will work . Ha, and a little trick to reset normals in case they get messed up : in the VM, select all, cut and paste . I hope it helps :) litst