Poser has always been a surreal fantasy applied to both its female and male body types. Dork is a very perfect 6foot woderful flat belly and hung 20% better than 'Mr Average'. Posette is around 5'9" with big rounded "C-cups" ,definitely not Mrs Five foot three, 40pound overweight that you encounter in slacks with 2 'rugrats' and an 'anklebiter' in the local shopping mall. If you need artistic realism in the human form, look no further than a couple of episodes of the Springer show. What I am honestly saying is most real everyday people are not Mr and Mrs Poser perfect and all girls breasts will grab my evil eye regardless of size or shape. My final wish being that Poser 5 will include some average "pot gutted" "short arsed" "small breasted" "Child bearing hips" "barge tail" characters and clothing, to break the monotony of seeing so much Playboy magazine perfect "T & A" in our artwork. My 2 cents worth, Tommy.