Hi, "I'm not an artist!" Why do I have to keep telling people this :P I have about 20 odd years of technical background. Built my first two computers from kits when there were no computer magazines, only electroncs magazines with strange adverts! :) The only kind of computer books you could get hold of then, would tell you of the Joys of RTL, ALGOL or COBOL. Unfortunately, (or not) most of these languages are still with us... ;) Right, I'm off home to play with my new Gamecube, (launch day in Europe, WooHoo! :) later jb