Quinn that's a pretty flower, and I like Alpha's adjusted versions with the explainations of how he got there (I always like to know how its done). In reference to Sue's informal poll, I've always gotten constructive advice when asking for it, if I've posted an image just for fun, my friends here have always "humoured" me and laughed (so I don't feel too pathetic) lol...and if I've posted a truly fantastic image for everyone to go wow...oh hang on, that hasn't happened yet! I think this forum can encompass all of these functions and still keep chugging along rather well... Looking foward to seeing more of your posts so we can give them a spanking! ;-)>