I'm using 3DSMax yeah Phil, I've noticed that once I've done something once I can usually repeat it without much hassle, but getting it done in the first place is the trick Scarab, damn that playdough 'eh? All I could make with it was spagetti and it tasted DISGUSTING. I passed kindergarten easily. It was....almost....like they were trying to get rid of me..........hmm, wait a minute! DARN THOSE TRICKY KINDERGARTEN TEACHERS! SewerRat