personally i think we could do away with all the "aint it lovely" just for the sake of it on this forum anyway. I mean we are all grown up enough here to see when someone is more experienced in this sort of thing and take some pointers without taking offence. i really dont see the need to have yet another separate place to disscuss work when i thought that was the idea of this forum in the first place.Ok it can get a little cluttered sometimes when we put threads on for a bit of fun but thats just the great part of this place.such a diversiy of ideas opinions and entertainment without having to hop all over the site till you get lost!! (which i invariably do :) )