Valandar >> hey there :) .. weeeell.. one minor problem.. I'm just a beginner at this so I'm trying to avoid postwork until I get to such a point that I'm fully aware of the capabilities/ incapabilities inherent to poser.. I know this is frustrating the hell outta me not being able to just put flame in, but I figure it'll spur me on perhaps to finding a way in which I can create a flame like look using objects and other stuff already available within poser itself S.. anyway.. I decided I kinda like the old floating satin/silky seethrough cloth thing... I'll maybe see what I can do with a transparency map or two like clever ole Virtualsite suggested and see where we get with that :) thanks for the suggestion :) it's nice to know people are taking the time to have a look and think about these things :D Dolphy..