Bikermouse, you are welcome. Hey, Bloodsong, you're stealing my thunder! (pun intended - fulminate comes from the word for thunder) Actually, I am aware of what is done to cultural icons on games and entertainment. There was a game called Eric the Viking a few years back which was abominable, but almost fun. As much as I am concerned about authenticity, I, too, will set it aside when working on something more fairy-tale than real. One has to please the intended audience first and foremost. You know, a Norn without clothing is a scary thought. I know what happens to our breasts after age 40 or so... after a few thousand years they'd have to be tied up to keep them off the ground. ;^) I've had several years of life drawing with nudes: dancers, old men, pregnant women. Grendel would be ok: he has plenty of hair (I'm imagining something over-muscled and shaggy), but his mother? At least living under water, they'd be clean. Anyway, I can get a bit didactic at times, so stick a pin in me. If there is anything I can do to help you guys, just ask. Carolly