Hi, My boss still uses Warp 4 as his main machine at home, though he too is lamenting it's passing as a consumer OS, (IBM now only sell the server variant, mainly to banks.) I still maintain I'm not an artist, part time sculptor maybe, (in RL, not poser :) but I'm a hobbyist, I play with toys, most of my renders are done in 5 mins from start to finish. Very little effort goes into most of it. I remember the Vic20, good version of "centipede" :) later jb