Hi Jeff! Is this different from the 4.02.116 beta on Larry's page dated 1/25/2000? With the old phone lines in my place, I can only get 26K so 8.1 Mbytes for the Mac Beta 7 takes hours! Thanks again! Eric Walters-Hmmn, maybe the odl "Mech" character will be Mac-able using the conversion utility! You helped me a lot way back when. It will be cool not to manually edit obj and Cr2's with Word!