Yes I know that Corel released Bryce with half way done by MetaCreations. But its still no excuse, Corel acquired the resonsibility of Bryce and they need to finish what is left in other half to meet customers' expections in Bryce 5. Tell Corel to finish the other half by returning bryce 5 software back to them and/or boyscot it. It was our money not their. If they want our money then they need give us what we want the features in Bryce. check this thread: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=678873 Waldoo