Thanks for that Norbert, I had my card number hacked a couple of years ago, luckily there was hardly any money in the account at the time and the bank stopped all the purchases, I'll just wait for my statement and see what happens, I may have been a bit hasty earlier, paypal do actually do a good job and I should be more diplomatic in my posts, I mean if it wasn't for them and other companies like them I'd be stuck with just the standard stuff that comes with poser and freebies. Large portion of humble pie please :) Rob