Ok, just two small bits of info, sporkums (welcome to poserland, btw smile) to help clear up some of your confusion. 1. The whole purpose of Vicky P4 is so that you can use clothing items that were designed for the P4 female model with Vicky's face. This also includes poses that were made for the original poser figures since the meshes are cut up and jointed a bit differently. 2. The problem with the boots and shoes thing, especially in the changing fantasy suit, are due to the fact that poser models are flat footed. In fact, the cfs, if I recall correctly, was intended to be used with the feet made invisible (at least,that's what it said in the readme file). It's impossible to get the foot to arch properly for some shoe styles without the use of a morph target. Sometimes, rather than turning something invisible all you need to do is rescale either the clothing or the body part just a bit. (if you'll look, the default scaling for the forearm is 114% instead of the expected 100%, but darned if I know why). Kate