Hi Droyd . . . 8^) For what it's worth, on my system, Vue 4.06 is working the best of all the upgrades. As far as your question goes, I also had very good results when I used the full upgrade 4.05, installed over a fresh install of Vue 4. I think the biggest problem with all of the updates or patches is, there are so many different system configurations, that so many users are getting different results. Anyway, if you try the 4.05 upgrade & it doesn't work well for you, all you have to do is uninstall Vue 4.05 & reinstall the version that works the best for you. Good luck in which ever choice you make, & I hope you find the best upgrade, so you can create in Vue with no problems. Have a good one . . . Mark. ;^)