Painter is REALLY REALLY REALLY slow on my 233mmx even with 128megs of ram and a 3d graphic card... What I am after however is how a UVmap looks like - to see how it all fits together and how it is painted (designed) I don't know, I haven't seen any UVmap stuff and the only one I have seen which might be simular is Poser stuff (which isn't really any help) So what I'm looking for is some UVmap's so I can see how they are done... not how to make bump maps etc etc :) tracy