This is pretty amazing. OK, I'll try one more time.

renapd "There's no other way to respond to a comment aiming at steve that he's not a pro when it's common knowledge he's been one of the very first involved with the subject, if not the very first since Poser3 early days, who's taught so many others!"

Funny, I didn't say Steve wasn't a "pro". Since clearly a large (I would hope) part of his income and job involve Poser then I would think he IS a pro :)

What I did say was that in my opinion (I am allowed to have them I think) the fit of much of the clothing simply isn't good enough to use for professional work. Now, clearly all of that is subjective - and I did mention that no doubt you have members who do use the clothing in a professional capacity.

I am allowed an opinion, at least I still think I am. It's hard to tell around here sometimes.

Short of telling you I think all the stuff on PWFW is the best thing ever I don't really know how I can be any nicer. I think it's great stuff for hobbyist use, and no doubt you have some pro's who use it too. From what I can see without joining it simply isn't up to the standards I need.

If that means I am firmly in the minority on how I need things to fit, that's OK too. That doesn't change my opinion.

Your happy with it, Steve is happy with it, your subscribers are happy with it - fine, great, cool - once again I wish you the best.

steveshanks "Oh come on Soulhuntre don't take me for an idiot, you compliment with one hand then insult with the other LOL"

I don't think you're an idiot, and I am completely sincere in both my praise and my critique. I hope it all goes great for you and I am sure your membership is by and large extremely happy. I gave you the compliments I could because when you deserve them then you deserve them and I am trying to make sure I comment ont he good AND the bad.

I was trying to be fair... and all it seems to bring me is insults.

On the other hand I will be honest. I don't think the stuff on PWFW is generally speaking stuff I could use. That's an opinion, and I am allowed it :)

I'm sorry your so insulted by all this, it certainly isn't intended personally. Maybe that is the problem... it seems that it is impossible to be honest about a product here without it being taken as a personal insult on the creator.

I am sure you work hard. I am sure the vast majority of your subscribers are happy. I don't think your the #1 modeler in the Poser community for clothing. I am sorry that insults you.

Now, if I am supposed to just stroke everyone and tell each and every single vendor that all their stuff is perfect and that there isn't any flaw in it at all then .... well, then toss me off the system because I simply won't lie.

Could I just say "I don't like the stuff, don't join!!" and leave it at that? Sure, if I wanted to be a jerk. But I was TRYING to say something positive as well. I suppose if your determined to be offended you can always find something.

As for the Braves and the other studios, great! Good for you! Best of luck to you. Maybe I am simply extremely picky... it's probable. Of course we are also pushing Poser really to the limits in what we do, doing tight close-ups and flybys rendered in Max and so on at HDTV resolutions... so it might be that our environment is extremely demanding ::shrugs:: don't know what to tell you. There are many products for sale here that simply don't hold up in our environment that lots of people seem overjoyed with.

Doesn't change my evaluation, the stuff on PWFW is good, many people like it but it doesn't look like it's good enough for what we do. Once again, an opinion I am allowed to hold and that I will share when appropriate.

If the only type of opinion that won't insult you is a glowing one, then I guess I'll never be anything but a pain in the ass from your POV.