Feel free to tell them what you wish Ron we all 3 live in free countries and i'll feel free to tell them my side of the story....Soulhuntre yes i'd rather you'd said "I don't like the stuff, don't join!!" coz the way your putting it its like your twisting what i say like "I don't think your the #1 modeler in the Poser community for clothing. I am sorry that insults you." good i'm glad, i never said or thought i was, i just thought it a little odd that you can express an opinion on our stuff yet you've never used any of it...thats a bit like me saying XXX cars are crap even though i've never driven one ;o).......Steve