Well on one of my pics I have cut off 7 minutes by bringing down the bump map settings in half then the original settings...I was thinking it would give everybody the opportunity to really get to know the ins and outs of the render options maybe helping the newer folks and me about what would be the best settings to get the utmost out of the Render engine I still have a long ways to go in trying to figure out the new options and what they do and if they can be munipulated into speeding up the render times...I really dont mind the render times That I have even useing the awesome preset trees in 5 I personally think 4 is a little fsater but I do say that 5 is faster at loading models and textures faster it seems and when I import one of my models built in 4 and import into 5 it loads way faster...Better codeing?I dont know I just want to get the best render times I can...