Thankyou ZEROBASE.. I design what my client wants, as for you SCIFGUY you may be a designer but all designers design different, there was a reason I DID NOT USE STATIC INLINE FRAMES... I make a lot of sites, get tons of referrals all clients are happy and I make a lot of money..All my sites have won the Golden Web award..and I opt to use inline frames for art sites such as Pams, because there is nothing worse than sitting all day to wait for a site to load which happens a lot with 3D sites..I KNOW, I am also an art agent for a number of RENDS artists, I have turned aside some as I could not view their work unless I sat all night in front of the comp waiting for their badly designed site to load the art.which is a shame as some could do with the promotion and money I make for them..I live in UAE but my clients are worldwide..If my work was not good why do I work 18 hour days and make buckets of money...My own site uses inlines I sell my work from my site and get sales above $300 everyday just for websets, so If I thought it was causing me to loose clients I would get rid of the frames..2% of the 47,000 visitors in past 6 months to my site used netscape and almost all had the new version...Even Web Tv can view my inlines as many are clients of mine.. This is my last comment on this subject..sorry those that can not view pams site, maybe when u update ur browser u will be able to view it, I update mine regularly.. I am such a lover of art and it saddens me to notice here at REND how many of you nit pick, the first site I designed for an artist here got nitpicks about his pop up ads in his guest book from bravenet, HOW PATHETIC....I am glad I have 10 super rend artists under my wing who nitpik about nothing.Ten of RENDS best, who I work like a dog for to make them some money and bring in some recognition for their art work. If its not nitpicking about someones web site its nitpicking about someones 3D post...and I notice most that nitpick should take a damn good look at their own sites and art before making any comments..You cant please everyone, some like frames, some dont, some like music some dont, some like boring sites some like artistic ones, u do what the client wants thats the important thing...