Look I design all types of sites OK, sometimes I need and my clients want inline frames, OK so netscape cant use them EVEN YAHOO uses inline frames... I dont code for netscape if a client wants inline frames..thousands of sites use inline frames PLEASE ALL OF U GET A LIFE and go out and harrass the thousands of inline frame sites out there on the net... Netscape cant view inline frames or most of the DHTML and java effects, why should I tell a client they cant have what they want because a few people use netscape....Its like telling 3D artists who like to render fairies to go and start rendering worldwar two tanks. bcause some people get sick when they see a fairy... MOST designers do not code for netscape for one reason, it means their client can not have the site they want..I do my job and design to my clients needs they are FULLY aware that if they opt for inline frames that old netscape cant view them..No one has been bothered... Why should someone not have inline frames because of netscape WHAT THE HELL were they designed for and why do so many companies including major ones use them.... That is the only thing I use in web design that is not compatible for NETSCAPE apart from certain sites who request java effects, not all clients want them but most do.. I live in UAE and YES I have many germany people visit my site, use my work and my tubes etc, all have a browser they can view inline frames..This whole squibble is over because pams site uses a frame...SORRY but otherwise her site would have taken forever to load and THIS is what people hate and why MOST artists stay unknown..because people get sick of waiting for art to show up..One very well known artist told me that his site increased in visitors once he loaded all his work into frames and cut download time in half, my own site has increased also because people love the easy navigation and speed of download and thats why ALL my sites win the Golden Web Award. I have nothing against Netscape at all, most of my designs are compatible I do search out codes to use for all browsers, however with inline frames only the most recent Netscape can view them..And I am not telling my client they cant have them if they are not bothered themselves about broswer compatability,,, I guess u have not been around the thousands of web and graphic design sites and seen most have a sign at the top saying they dont code for netscape...its how most feel, only because in design we are limited as to what we can do.. If anyone has a code for inline frames that allll netscape browsers can view please send it to me..I have searched far and wide and not found one to date. If I had found one I would of course use it