Why in the hell should I update my browser from NS to IE when NS is perfectly HTML compatible. This is the reason why you see only 5% of ns users in your stats: 1: People first learn on ie because ic comes with their computer and do not realise that there is something better out there to use. 2: Us NS users stick together. If one of us come across a site that we can't view, we tell them and they tell other ns users and we all stay away. I am using ns 6 now that I have a more powerful machine and it took me 6 years to scrimp and save to be able to get it. Do you even realise what it is like to be stuck with an out of date computer that can't view sites because it just doesn't have the power to run the latest browser without crashing???? Do not blame people for not updating. They may not be able to afford to update. I was and still am one of them. I now have to start scrimping and saving for another 6 years. My new computer is already out of date. I think it is wrong to exclude just because of that and/or the fact they use ns. It is the majority of the U.S. that uses IE. The majority of non U.S. people use NS or other. I will never use ie because since using ns I have NEVER suffered a virus on my computer or any other security problem. That is how good the security is for ns AND I have never had to have bug fixes for it. EVER. Plus, once I make ns my default browser, ie gets all upset and seizes my computer so ie is no longer viable for me. Exotica, my comments are not directed at you. I love to visit sites that have been done up. Gulfmystery, my comments are directed at ALL ie exclusive disigners. The current look to my site (I just uploaded it last month) was designed with psp and NS Composer with minor tweaking in CuteHTML. It uses 3 or 4 javascripts that all work in ns and ie from v4 up. Except for one script and it works in the v4s but not the v6 browsers. Go figure lol I just find it all a poor excuse. There are more ns users than you realise. We just look out for each other. I'm sorry you think I/we are pathetic. I am not nitpicking. This is a legitimate problem regardless of your opinion on the subject. Bill Gates has the same opinion as you about it, does that make him right? Retorical question and ignore his wealth.