Apart from the slow renderings, whether three minutes or longer, check out the sparkling that occurs from the texture lab. There's an incredible amount of movement. Going to additional AA only removes the texture and requires much added time. Bryce is great for stills and for short, rough animations; anything else and you have to pay more. manwar 30 frames/second NTSC at 30 seconds = 900 seconds x 3 minutes = 2700 minutes / 60 minutes/hr = 45 hours So how about 15 frames/sec and a render farm:)