BelleMorte U obviously did not understand my last post. I have nothing against Netscape users the reason I do not code for netscape is because it would mean I have to refuse my clients the type of site they ask from me..I AM A BUSINESS not doing this as a hobby....Basically the only thing I use which is not for netscape is inline frames..REMEMBER I AM CONTROLLED BY MY CLIENTS DESIRES, NEEDS AND REQUESTS... More and more clients ask for inline frames even for custom web sets they ask for a frame to be included..I just designed a site with inline for a well known US author, I would have lost her business and friendship If I refused to let her have the site she wanted...I dont know of any professional design company who would refuse to design unless compatable with all browsers, so far as I know there is no code for old netscape to view inlines... However what u all seem to forget is the majority of sites I design do not use inline therefore are viewable by all...so you cant really say I am against netscape, I just design what my client wants If I told u that u have to create art a way u do not like working in and u cant do this and that, I dont think u would be very happy, so how do u think my clients would feel if refused to design the site they wanted...They know about the netscape problem when they request inline frames and if they dont care then they continue with the design they ASK ME TO MAKE FOR THEM.. Pam loves her site, it was made for HER and for HER enjoyment..those that can not enter can view her work and puchase her products here at REND as they have always been here..If she feels the frames are a problem she will of course request a no frames version as well...so this is just another GET ON UR HORSE THING HERE AT REND..Let my clients request from me the site they want..I am not going to SAY NO TO THEM and make them unhappy and disatisfied..YOU FORGET, I DESIGN HOW THEY WANT as do all web designers we are CONTROLLED BY OUR CLIENTS..If I let u run my business for one month u would ruin it with that mentality, basically your telling people u cant have inline frames, THAT IS NOT FAIR IS IT, IF THEY WANT THEM and a large percentage of my clients do ask for them..If u were at the helm, u would be refusing my clients left right and center?? Oh and my stats show 1.024% netscape users, all entered my flash entrance, out of 47,000 since december I dont think thats much do u..if it reaches 3% I will of course add a no frames version and that is what I advice all clients who ask for inline frames, to check their stats often and if they see a certain percentage of netscape users entering the index page which does not have frames on it, they should consider adding a no frames version..Guess Im not anti netscape afterall..