Hey this is all very interesting! Going to throw my 2c in here :-) Personally im not interested in seeing the forum flooded with images, just cos you can. If there are artists out there so prolific and stifled by the 3 a day limit, then get another site. Get 3! Geocities offers you 3 websites (on 3 diff topics) with 15MB space and subdirectories and all sorts. There are LOTS of options out there for posting heaps of pix. Im not into the technical side of mathematical calculations basically because I dont understand them, but surely here is the best place to start this kind of discussion. And its not limited to UF either. I know there are a few XD users out there, and we ALL need as much help with learning that as we can get :-)))))) Its a matter of putting our heads together and coming up with good questions, suggestions, ideas, tutorials. I would love someone to explain the really simple basics of UF, cos thats where I came unstuck with it, I couldnt find a step by step explanation at a level I needed. Most of the time people seem to assume you kinda had some exposure and half an idea about that kind of fractal design. I have no idea what the diff between a Julia and a Mandelbrot fractal is (and I admit this in public too LOL) Stacey - shutting up now!