Well it seems to be only "just a big file" I guess whomever stuffed it did something wrong. it downloaded at 13.5 as i said, set up an install folder and the installation ran fine. But all-in-all I have installed it and so far, no big crashes and or nothing staring me in the face that seems wrong. hair seems to be going on the head, clothes seem to be conforming. I still get a texture or bump map can't be found every once in awhile. (But that happened anyway). So far, so good . I hope I don't jynx it. ;-) Remember guys and gals, we are talking about the MAC version here. (just in case) James