Hmmm, I've been an admin for almost all of my working life, and some of the few constants are: You never get any respect. People only remember you when it goes wrong. Users never learn. etc. The flip side of this is when you're a user on somebody elses system, at which point you get bolshy as hell when you don't get your own way... :P Spike, if you're lucky, people won't start posting images specially crafted to offend while not breaking the TOS. I remember when Compuserve started using software to censor what people could say in the forums, the users simply curcumnavigated this by using the terms peek, poke and byte for entirely different uses than those originaly envisaged... "all human life is here" :) later jb