"No way in hell would I pay $30 for something to "play with". "??? Well, I guess those of us who are just hobbyists "playing" and not kidding ourselves that we're commecial artists are just dumbbutts, huh?.....can't believe anyone'd be dumb enough to buy Poser, Vic, Mike, etc..just 'cause they enjoy it and wanna learn something new. Gosh, i must be even dingier than I thought...I think. Beav(tongue in cheek) BTW...I just thought the disclaimer meant that you couldn't redistribute the meshes and models commercially..not that you couldn't use 'em in commercial pics.(But see comments concerning intellect above...probably went right over my stupid hobbyist head)....:) heehee