You could render normally and then use a different, more controllable method to get the cartoon effect... ...there is a good Photoshop/PSP plugin called "simplifier" which would produce excellent cartoony images from your fully textured renders. That way, you can have transparencies and textures in your movie. But I've lost the link. sorry. You might have to do a search for it. You would have to process each frame, but it would be quicker than adding more detail by hand... Howard:)