Thanks bud. I'm kind of addicted to the idea of transparencies and reflection maps at the moment.. blush.. so I'm going a bit overboardL.. I tried the pic without the ribbon and it seemed somewhat empty.. as for the nudity thang.. it's all too easy just to take a model and press render and post it up calling it a nude.. where's the challenge?L.. anyway. I keep those ones for myselfLOL...