I don't think it was full ownership, but I think he had all the creative rights to it. But I think Larry will find a good home for Poser. He's too devoted to the program. Heck,he's even making a plugin SDK, so I guess he figures, if there is a way of making plugins for it, then even if the program takes a while to get published, it won't die. He's great guy, heck, he's answered each of my e-mails. Give him an e-mail. I think he likes hearing people give him support.