Bryce does a good job for rendering backgrounds fair at animation but gets a zero for import/exportability. But I knew that going in and unless they add certain functions(waterfall/wave lab exportability) I am still happy with 3.1 for what it is. (You know when I wanted poser I had to go through 3 out of business companys before I found them - and thus found bryce too. At that point I had a good idea what was going on and have always looked for a demo before buying any product that has a history with fractal designs.) All that out of the way it's still good at what it does do. caveot emptus (or something like that)