The image posted by ringo requires near no changes to be correct (as far as the render goes) to simulate hair..and this was a very uv intensive mapping. You can see it at: http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=7988 I only have one other model more intense for mapping than the spider, and that is a hairy bat. Not sure if I should bug him with the bat or not. Im sure the cd is already being made by now if its expected to ship in a couple weeks. http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=7402 BT