if you go to the link in the message, you should be able to see the 3d object (if you don't have the viewpoint plugin, you will have to download it manually, if you are using a mac, from the following address: https://components.viewpoint.com/mac/MTSInstallers/VMP_Min_3_0_10_64.hqx) if you are using a pc with ie, the plugin will automatically download as an activex control the page may not work in netscape; I'll post a screenshot late tonight. Thanks though for the quick reply