That's what I thought.. but I can attest that's not true. Copy/paste of email: hey sorry for the delay... not only is my isp acting up but today was particularly busy on the email help front sigh just wrapping up getting through my inbasket. okay, well, i rather torn here. i certainly do not want to start ANY conflict with any other website. each has it's specialty and IMO, there is room for everyone -- my preference is to live and let live. that being said, i see that there is a large discussion going on about how bad renderosity is. i take that rather personally, as i work very hard to keep things moving, and as even keeled as possible. we've got a phenominal staff of moderators and admins who work their asses off without so much as a thank you usually (and in fact most times they get attacked for doing their 'job') so i do admit to feeling more than a bit like dog-food after reading what these people said about us and i am not really happy about being the focus of such a discussion in the first place. if you feel you need to post this, please post EVERYTHING... including all the instant messages that Sipapu sent you AND your responses. let folks decide for themselves. i've included them here for your reference. finally, your handle DID ring a bell with me and now i do remember the controversy we dealt with in regards to your post... the one with the guy's finger coming dangeriously close to that woman's privates... here is a note i had to send out after MANY heated and irate correspondances with another member who wanted the image pulled for TOS violation. i think we lost the member after we wouldn't pull your image. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello, thanks for taking the time to let us know what you think. we absolutly listen to what members have to say and think your opinion is important! first, if you see images that violate the nudity flag rule, PLEASE tell the moderator of that forum... or, tell ME. i will immediately address that! we have so many images to go through that often, groups of them slip through. this is not intentional. we rely on members to be our eyes and ears. regarding this image. even blown up this close, i still have to agree with the consensus of the staff that while this image treads dangerously close to violation, it stays on the 'legal' side. if only by a hair. the way i see the image, his hand is NOT in contact with her genatalia. his fingers are slipped between her thighs and in fact, in contact with her boots, not even her skin. his finger is well away from her privates, which, albeit a bit 'exposed', is within the 'rules' as they currently exist. my personal opinion on this piece, it's artistic merits, or even it's statement, are completely irrelevant. and i want you to understand that i HAVE to conclude that it does not violate the TOS. i do this in good concience and after quite a bit of deliberation. i hope that you wont take this personally. i also hope this wont keep you from enjoying the rest of what this community has to offer. we work very hard to administer the TOS evenly and judiciously. with membership soaring to 80 thousand recently, we have our hands full. hopefully our explanation will reassure you that we DO take this seriously, although we may not agree in this particular instance. thanks again for your input. audre ~~~~~~~~~~~ begin recent corresponances ~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello, Your image, "Piece Treaty (Nudity/Situational)," has been removed from the gallery because it is in violation of this portion of the TOS: "Posting Unacceptable Images which include; 1. Depictions of physical arousal or sexual acts." This is an official warning. In accordance with the TOS, a second event will result in "Forum Suspension for 1 or 7 days or Temporary Community ban for 3 or 7 days." Please try to take more care with such images. Your work is really very good, and it would be a shame if you were to be suspended or banned because of pictures like this. Feel free to IM me (easier for me than e-mail) if you have any questions about this situation. Sincerely, Sipapu Renderosity Moderator ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello Lakota_Sarah, Earlier today I sent you an e-mail to notify you that I had removed an image from your gallery. However, that e-mail was returned to me for the following reason: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 Host unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.2 ... Host unknown (Name server: fantazone.com: host not found)" Here is the content of my e-mail to you: === Hello, Your image, "Piece Treaty (Nudity/Situational)," has been removed from the gallery because it is in violation of this portion of the TOS: "Posting Unacceptable Images which include; 1. Depictions of physical arousal or sexual acts." This is an official warning. In accordance with the TOS, a second event will result in "Forum Suspension for 1 or 7 days or Temporary Community ban for 3 or 7 days." Please try to take more care with such images. Your work is really very good, and it would be a shame if you were to be suspended or banned because of pictures like this. Feel free to IM me (easier for me than e-mail) if you have any questions about this situation. Sincerely, Sipapu Renderosity Moderator ~~~~~~~~ Instant Message from Lakota_Sarah: Hi I fail to see any "sexual" contact or activity but I'm not going to argue with you, its your board not mine. My email is (email addy here) Please remove my account and all my art posted. Thank you have a wonderful life Sarah Privette Formerly; Lakota_Sarah (Sent 5/18 20:55) ===== Instant Message from Lakota_Sarah: I deleted my things but I don't know how to delete my account. Tell me or would you please do it on your end? Thank you. Sarah (Sent 5/18 21:07) ===== Instant Message from Lakota_Sarah: Sorry, My email is not (email addy) its (correct email addy here) (for your records so everyone can sleep better or something and can catch me if I try to come back - which won't happen anyway) (Sent 5/18 21:20) ~~~~~~~ Hello Sarah, I'm sorry you've made the decision to leave Renderosity and hope that you'll reconsider. Perhaps I should have been clearer in my IM: the issue was not one of sexual contact but of "physical arousal," as clearly evidenced by the genitals on the figure on the left. These are not new standards in the TOS. For your information, the decision to pull your image was not mine alone. Such decisions are made only after the moderators have viewed and discussed any image in question. Should you still want to delete your account, please notify any one of the administrators. Moderators don't have the ability to do that. Sipapu Renderosity Moderator (Sent 5/19 11:45) ~~~~~~ Instant Message from Lakota_Sarah: You guys are freaks.. That is so obsurd. Just because you guys got a hard-on looking at my work, don't blame me for it. Tell your bosses to kiss my ass and delete my account. How's that for Physical arousal? Sarah (Sent 5/19 16:00) ===== Sipapu's response was "Happy to oblige. It'll be just a moment." and she contacted me to handle the profile deletion. ~~~~~ so far as i know that was the exent of the IM transactions. thanks audre editor, renderosity magazine My reply to this email: Lakota: "Thank you for the reply. The IM messages were posted in full at that site (Thralldom) already but I will copy/paste them again with this email in whole. Thank you Sarah PS: You never answered my question how can anyone look at a female's genitals in a picture (especially this one) and decide she is aroused. May I have an answer please?" There you have it. This posted here to solidify my most sincere warning and desire for workable solution.