Many thanks for the comments and critique Thank Rosh for your humble little opinion when I did the last render I thought it looked a bit boring. Eric that is the poser angel fish but he got slightly squished around in Max when I was trying to turn him into a cod :-) The plants were made using plant studio which is a good little app but you seem to need a degree in plant biology to know what it is on about half the time. Eshal Thanks for the fish pointers FastTraxx that sand is a bumpmap with sand color laid over it But I agree that it is very flat and way to regular great Idea about adding more terrains going to try that once I have sussed out the problems of the fin transmaps. Chris-S