just got home; phenominal, can't wait to see it; Lyrra you're definetly the kind of person we need more of in this poser forum world. there are some real tough questions out there that need answering. and i've stuck my hand in the cookie jar a few times. but it's sad that we have to have a poser forum and that Curious Labs doesnt provide enough detailed info so that this isn;t needed. Or maybe they provide the iinfo but then they don't give it in a user friendly way, the kind of way that makes it stick to your mind. for example i HHHAAATTTEEE the handbooks by a fellow i wont mention his name so as not to defame his attempts, but he has an Irish name and he makes handbooks for just about every program(lightwave 3DS Poser Sasquatch etc...) and it's just useless and terribly written. we need knowledgable people ( i think i spelt that wrong) instead of stabs in the dark. Again thanx so much and now let me try the UVmapper.com. i'll let you know how it turns out. i hope i catch that tutorial your making i'd really like to see it when it's done. see ya