ziggy3d, that crashing problem is a well known problem when things aren't right with Poser. I ran into the problem more when I had Windows ME than Windows 2000 or XP. I think Poser was poorly designed, and is not very capable of recovering when things don't go right. Windows ME just wasn't capable of bringing Poser back into line, while Windows XP seems able to handle this misbehavior, and survive. Even if Poser doesn't crash, I've waited several minutes while Poser just hangs there, deciding what to do. That's damned inconvenient, especially if I'm in a hurry to get to work, etc. (Of course things are worse if the geometry is involved.) OK, scifiguy, you and I can wait for the inevitable "ungrateful wretch" messages to arrive. Of course, since I'm a Free Stuff provider (you are too, aren't you?), I think that is so much "BS."