i spent about 4 hours last night on it. there were a lot of terminology that were just over my head and didn't make sense (vertices, horizontal drop, etc...) i went as far as advanced calculus 3 in College and learned this stuff but it seems to be used in a different way. not much chance i'm going to understand this any time soon so if you're up to it i'll take your offer for help. by the way i made the ceilings 2 way and every other wall which means you get full clearance of each cell so that a camera view can visually have elbow room aiming at the bunk bed of each cell. i'm running late for work this morning so i'll talk to you when i come back. before i send it to you i'd like to know a few things like do you think the file has too many polygons or should i break this up or that up or maybe add this. i think it's a pretty intense environment as it stands but there might be a little room for improvement. tonight i'll send you the object prop and tiffs. if i can call you on MSN Instant talk or at your phone let me know thanx