Poser crashed on me the other night. First time in MONTHS. It is on the Mac. It had been so long since it had crashed that it took a couple of minutes to realize that was what had happened. ::blink, blink:: This Windows box crashes, and sometimes even turns itself off, several times during an online session. The G4 does have more memory, but it is simply a more stable environment for doing graphics. BTW, the problem when it crashed? I'd read Bloodsong's note about ProPack and bum files in his Eagle Expansion Pack, and had conveniently forgotten it in my hurry to play with all those birds. So I'll chalk that up to human error, my error, and certainly not blame the creators of either the program or the model. If Poser is taking longer than you wish to find something, I have two recommendations: First add more memory. Second, consider the sheer size of the files you are using, and mentally calculate how much data juggling is going on. It is mind-boggling, which is why we let the machines do the calculations. When I started animating, characters were 2 dimensional, 32 pixels high by 16 wide (twice as many as before!), and we got 16 (wowie-zowie) predetermined colors (or what some programmer thought passed for colors). Even then our tools would crash. People coming into graphics today are ungrateful. I hope that it is more out of ignorance than boorishness. Carolly