Digitek, Hey, my words were kind! I only mentioned the rats because that dungeon level is one of the nicer ones. If you've ever driven downwind of a winery in full fermentation, you know that rats don't smell badly at all. ;^) Let me then be the second to welcome you to the community. There are other programs out there which cost a lot more, but none of them have the enthusiastic support which Poser has. When your copy (UPS, about a week?) arrives, be sure to download the Service Pack #3, and then render up something to celebrate. And I think you deserve a {hug}, too. Carolly