Oh, I'm not truly having a problem with frames, there just a little more "pain in the neck", but manageable. And, I don't really want to change the frames part of it, since the backroom was already set up before I became a mod. I'm using Frontpage 2000 for the site work, and it can be made that each page has a seperate url for linking. Which I like just for my own anal retentive sakes, lol. That way if there is say, a specific tutorial for something, we can give out just that specific page url. Straighter route to what is needed. Linking backroom entry thumbnails to pics that exsist in the members gallery has the problem - if the member changes their gallery, the picture, or gets booted from renderosity, etc. then thumbnail would lead nowhere. It's also one more set of (giant) links I would have to keep my eye on, making sure none of them go dead. Renderosity has NO problem with disk space, trust me on this one. And, since the pics would be in the backroom and not in the general mix of gallery pics, members would have a better chance at speedier load times for the pic itself. As far as the viewing the voting thread goes...here's what I always do; now, I do use Internet Explorer, I don't know about Netscape or other browsers...I bring up the page, making sure everything is there and loaded. I then just go to "File>SaveAs..." and under "Save as type" I choose "Web Archive, single file(*mht)". This will save the entire page (one page only) as a single file, I can then look at anytime, and you don't have to be connected to the internet to look at it.

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