cautions with uvmapping in stages and saving: when you save an obj, it will break up the groups in tiny pieces..each time you save, those pieces will be broken into pieces..and those pieces broken into pieces..etc. what does this mean? It means that you can have obj files that (in the end) are represented by groups per line that have to be stripped apart by poser. This means poser can hang, crash, die..this means a person with low ram will not be able to open a small file..this means you'll be saying really foul language..lol save often if you want, but dont close mapper use the advanced feature of reordering (uvmapper pro) to help some but be aware that saving often can screw you and it wont kiss you first! For instance, my 2 headed dragon isnt as big as many other files, but when I load it in my phi builder, I can watch it churn away looking at a zillion individual group lines unnecessarily created by my fear of doing it wrong in the beginning. BT