What I found surprising withh this thread were the earlier replies. I'm amazed to find people who aren't looking forward to improved rendering and the other capabilities of the mythical Poser 5. In just a few days time Poser's sister application upgrades with many of the features you find in high end apps, caustics, photoreal rendering etc. plus it has what appears to be the equivalent of Pro Pack's set-up room and can create terrains, skies etc. Added to all that is a physics engine and particles, text support, and fully featured animation including story boarding. It's like Eovia listened to all our requests on the P5 wish list and have done the lot.....