William, that is very cool, I didn't know that! I'd be willing to bet that was Cimerone's problem. I can't imagine why someone would want to hide the window, maybe something left from during development. It is in my Poser as well, so it has been there for some time. (I run a Metacremations beta 4, cuz it absolutely never crashes or locks up, opens Mil. people fine, all claims that you need the latest update to do this to the contrary) Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com for CR2Edit, ZenPaint, ZenTile, VueMaster and the complete line of Zenware graphics apps