I also went from Poser 2 to 4 and never looked back. A few folks do prefer the older interface, but we all need the tools and functionality of this one. Being able to dress a character with bits of this and that? All the new inventions from the community such as body-handles and joint-controls? Being able to use transparency, bump, and reflection maps? There is a lot to learn in this program... as you've perhaps gathered from the threads. :) I doubt if CuriousLabs would have bought space at Siggraph unless they intended to announce something major. Not only is such space expensive (and even more so if you require electricity to show off your products), but they will be publicly peppered with questions anyway. Because of some animation columns being published in a tradezine, I got into a few conventions on a press pass... and was a pepperer myself. The guys who have paid for exhibit space WANT to show something new and newsworthy, and they are prepared to talk all about it. My recommendation? Why wait? If it is 4-6 months until P5 (which is my best guess), that is time you can spend creating. Now. And time is more valuable than money. My second recommendation would be to shop around. 3dcommune has a nice offer of P4 in the box (IIRC, my copy included Painter3d, and bunches of extra content), and DAZ offers a voucher for their models if you purchase it through them. CuriousLabs has a direct Upgrade price (I think that it is also a full boxed version), and a special offer for the bundle with ProPack (essential if you are boning your own characters, and a lot of nice features such as multiple working windows). Upgrading through CL is probably the cheapest route since you already own P2, but you are the only one who knows what your needs are. My third recommendation is to add memory if your beastie doesn't already have at least 256 MB of RAM. Assigning 200 megs to Poser solves all sorts of problems... especially since you'll probably start playing with all that nifty hair and bunches of extra maps. Carolly