ok sorry i havent replied... my keyboard was broken and i had to get a new one. (its hards to type without one!) I'd love all your help. Petrik, if you really want to do it then great. The models will eventually be animated in Bryce or 3ds so a format that will cross over would be great. I also have lightwave but it acts like a bit ch on my machine so i try and steer clear. Ill send you, and anyone else who wants in, the pictures and some rough descriptions as soon as i finish geting them together. Thanks and sorry again about the delay....