Thanks all of you, Nothing seemed to work, just kept reopening and clicking on things, checked both return to options, rendered the default in a new window, closed, reopened and there it was back again. Maybe poser 4 is just getting a bit tired and wants to be updated to the elusive poser 5????? PS Cimerone, how are the baby bunnies?

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop  the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."