For the vast majority Poser 5 remains nothing more than a promise, a rumour, admittedly from a good source but still with no basis in fact. The features from Avatar Lab have already been implemented in other low-end applications as addtional temptations. The set-up room idea came from RDS, Carrara's predecessor, it's a quirky way of conceptualising your work. The program hasn't moved one inch since Curious took over, Ghost already created the Poser patch. Prior to that Poser was buggy, it always is until the patch comes out, months later than promised. Until Kozabura, hair was made out of plastic; until Eve, (who predates Vicky) Posette couldn't bend over; until Catherina, the virtual world was very unreal; until Nerd, joints only ever moved themselves... One other thing the community can claim credit for, and that's the lack of development of Poser. Why bother to update your application when it's being done for you.... Eovia appear to have got off their laurels and got on with things, I approve....